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		<title>By: Kathy Herrmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Herrmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANDREW,

After an associate mentioned you, combined with a bit of online research, I found my way to your blog. Glad I did because your thoughtful article is a good find.

I&#039;m a believer in the importance of determining expected ROI for any corporate initiative, including for those of social media.

And let&#039;s be realistic, any exec worth his salt will demand to know an expected ROI on any social media initiative - and they should since social media isn&#039;t the only customer-facing initiative up for consideration.  

What also needs to be remembered is social media doesn&#039;t occur in isolatation. It will have resource impacts in terms of staffing and technology to name but two. Even if a company pursues social media with existing resources, there&#039;s still a cost of business associated with the initiative. If nothing else, it&#039;s the cost of using existing resources to pursue the social media versus another initiative.

So yes, social media initiatives do need to be translated into an expected ROI - because, yes, the only true measure of business success is $, either in terms of increased revenues or profitability.

In that regards then, throw me into the Olivier Blanchard camp.

However, you have valid points regarding the difficulty of measuring ROI for an emerging media. 

For many companies right now, the answer may be to look at ROI by starting at expectations for activity levels. That is, start with expected metrics. Then using historical data regarding similar past activity, derive an expected return.

And I also agree with setting reasonable expectations for results - the long-term view you and Belinda both mentioned. However, the long-term view can be accounted for in the ROI determination as well.


STEVE - What you&#039;re highlighting is the challenges associated with determining economic viability in the face of many unknowns. There are industry models that have experience in determining expected ROI under these challenges and social media may benefit from giving consideration to their valuation approaches.

One answer is to think of terms of chance of economic success relative to minimum, most likely, and maximum cases (this is common, for example, in the upstream oil industry to determine the valuation of exploration prospects).  

As a social media example, imagine this sort of economic valuation:  

*  Min = 90% probability social media will generate x increased leads leading to $.  
*  ML = 50% probability social media will generate x+y increased leads leading to $$.  
*  Max = 10% probability social media will lead to x+y+z leads and $$$$.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANDREW,</p>
<p>After an associate mentioned you, combined with a bit of online research, I found my way to your blog. Glad I did because your thoughtful article is a good find.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a believer in the importance of determining expected ROI for any corporate initiative, including for those of social media.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s be realistic, any exec worth his salt will demand to know an expected ROI on any social media initiative &#8211; and they should since social media isn&#8217;t the only customer-facing initiative up for consideration.  </p>
<p>What also needs to be remembered is social media doesn&#8217;t occur in isolatation. It will have resource impacts in terms of staffing and technology to name but two. Even if a company pursues social media with existing resources, there&#8217;s still a cost of business associated with the initiative. If nothing else, it&#8217;s the cost of using existing resources to pursue the social media versus another initiative.</p>
<p>So yes, social media initiatives do need to be translated into an expected ROI &#8211; because, yes, the only true measure of business success is $, either in terms of increased revenues or profitability.</p>
<p>In that regards then, throw me into the Olivier Blanchard camp.</p>
<p>However, you have valid points regarding the difficulty of measuring ROI for an emerging media. </p>
<p>For many companies right now, the answer may be to look at ROI by starting at expectations for activity levels. That is, start with expected metrics. Then using historical data regarding similar past activity, derive an expected return.</p>
<p>And I also agree with setting reasonable expectations for results &#8211; the long-term view you and Belinda both mentioned. However, the long-term view can be accounted for in the ROI determination as well.</p>
<p>STEVE &#8211; What you&#8217;re highlighting is the challenges associated with determining economic viability in the face of many unknowns. There are industry models that have experience in determining expected ROI under these challenges and social media may benefit from giving consideration to their valuation approaches.</p>
<p>One answer is to think of terms of chance of economic success relative to minimum, most likely, and maximum cases (this is common, for example, in the upstream oil industry to determine the valuation of exploration prospects).  </p>
<p>As a social media example, imagine this sort of economic valuation:  </p>
<p>*  Min = 90% probability social media will generate x increased leads leading to $.<br />
*  ML = 50% probability social media will generate x+y increased leads leading to $$.<br />
*  Max = 10% probability social media will lead to x+y+z leads and $$$$.</p>
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		<title>By: Footprints (16.10.09) &#124; Chris Deary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Footprints (16.10.09) &#124; Chris Deary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steve Dodd</title>
		<link>http://www.muellerandrew.com/2009/10/how-to-measure-success-with-social-media-roi-vs-trending-metrics/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, your points are absolutely valid.  Concrete ROI on every objective is at this point not possible (since some have long term impact).  I think this battle between ROI and NO ROI is at cross purposes with one another.  My understanding of the purpose of the ROI argument (or at least how it&#039;s been successfully used in the past in many other markets at their early stages) is to gain adoption by executives who drive strategy.  These execs aren&#039;t stupid.  Most of them have a gut sense that Social Media is having (or at least will have) an impact. But, they have a fiduciary responsibility to stakeholders that says they cannot spend money unless reasonably justified.  So, find an ROI, any ROI, to substantiate the Social Media effort.  It doesn&#039;t need to be anything more than enough to show payback for the investment and ongoing return (pick one of customer support cost reductions, competitive intelligence, lead generation etc.).  This payback enables the exec (your champion) to support the initiative knowing what they really want is to see the upside in all the other areas you&#039;ve discussed.  Then it begins.  Then it evolves.  Then they (and we) win at Social Media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, your points are absolutely valid.  Concrete ROI on every objective is at this point not possible (since some have long term impact).  I think this battle between ROI and NO ROI is at cross purposes with one another.  My understanding of the purpose of the ROI argument (or at least how it&#8217;s been successfully used in the past in many other markets at their early stages) is to gain adoption by executives who drive strategy.  These execs aren&#8217;t stupid.  Most of them have a gut sense that Social Media is having (or at least will have) an impact. But, they have a fiduciary responsibility to stakeholders that says they cannot spend money unless reasonably justified.  So, find an ROI, any ROI, to substantiate the Social Media effort.  It doesn&#8217;t need to be anything more than enough to show payback for the investment and ongoing return (pick one of customer support cost reductions, competitive intelligence, lead generation etc.).  This payback enables the exec (your champion) to support the initiative knowing what they really want is to see the upside in all the other areas you&#8217;ve discussed.  Then it begins.  Then it evolves.  Then they (and we) win at Social Media.</p>
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		<title>By: Belinda Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belinda Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time to you site, got referred with an RT. 

I absolutely agree with you. You have put down a lot of my thoughts in words. The problem with many clients is that many do not see social media as a long term strategy. They only turn to social media as part of a campaign mechanic or medium. I think for the returns to make sense and be effective, brands need to start recognizing that it is part of their integrated marketing or even branding strategy to engage their consumers on social media. Only then, will such returns see true reflection of results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time to you site, got referred with an RT. </p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you. You have put down a lot of my thoughts in words. The problem with many clients is that many do not see social media as a long term strategy. They only turn to social media as part of a campaign mechanic or medium. I think for the returns to make sense and be effective, brands need to start recognizing that it is part of their integrated marketing or even branding strategy to engage their consumers on social media. Only then, will such returns see true reflection of results.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Shelly, 

I am glad you found it of value. I have been trying to find my position on all this and thought it would be helpful for other Social Media Professionals and Companies to share what I have come to understand.

Cheers,
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Shelly, </p>
<p>I am glad you found it of value. I have been trying to find my position on all this and thought it would be helpful for other Social Media Professionals and Companies to share what I have come to understand.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: shelly kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely perfect, Andrew. And it&#039;s nice to see you writing more, btw.  We tell our clients just these things on a weekly basis - and you have nailed it. Thanks, as always, for inspiring thought and being a renegade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely perfect, Andrew. And it&#8217;s nice to see you writing more, btw.  We tell our clients just these things on a weekly basis &#8211; and you have nailed it. Thanks, as always, for inspiring thought and being a renegade.</p>
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